1 I would like to thank Joanna Jurewicz for reading the manuscript and for her Text Society: “Playing with Fire: the pratītyasamutpāda from the Perspective of. The arguments are based on articles by Joanna Jurewicz, which unfortunately I can’t easily access right now, such as “Playing with fire: the. Elsewhere Joanna Jurewicz has attempted to show that the choice of terms for the .. „Playing with Fire: Pratītyasamutpāda from the perspective of Vedic.

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It is quite plausible, however, juewicz someone failed to notice that once the first four links become part of the chain, it’s negative version meant that in order to abolish ignorance one first had to abolish consciousness!

Jati birth ; Salayatana six sense-media ; 6. Nama is not only perception and rupa is not merely objects. Later, with Dependent Origination, he taught the same subject in more detail. As for the rest of Gombrich’s speculations, they are based in a reincarnation interpretation of Dependent Origination rather than a psychological interpretation. Doctrines must be tested against experience. I’m not qualified to comment on the alleged Vedic parody entailed within the first 4 nidanas, but whether it is so or not, there’s a lot of deep Dhammic content entailed within the first 4, as exhibited through the teachings of venerable Nanananda.

In particular where the Buddha used metaphors drawn from the Vedic traditions, there have often be misunderstood by later Buddhists, even in some cases before the canon was written down. Playihg are in the process of being published as a book.

The paper is a not easy to follow: This is an awkward phrase. The thing that struck me was that Gombrich and Ven N. Theravada Buddhism Web Directory. It would not be so surprising considering how much Buddhist doctrine is olaying reworking of preexisting concepts. Dependent Origination and the Vedas Textual analysis and comparative discussion on early Buddhist sects and texts.


The purpose of this post was essentially to say that whether Gombrich’s theory is true or not, we’re better off not just clipping off the first four nidanas as some kind of antiquated irrelevancy.

Sankhara mental fabrications plaaying 3. In brief, the argument is that the step chain is the result of pasting together two chains, and that the first four links are a parody of Vedic Cosmogony. Phassa contact ; 7.

However, it’s hard to do justice to it without typing out several pages of the book Also, I do have a copy of the Jurewicz paper, but I don’t know if it would be proper to post it. First there is nothing, not even existence or non-existence. The primary metaphor for consciousness in the Vedic tradition is fire, hence the Buddha framed his understanding of consciousness in similar terms.

The 12 links are one of those things with so many varied interpretations, the more context we have the better off we’ll be. You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. The arguments are based on articles by Joanna Jurewicz, which unfortunately I can’t easily access right now, such as “Playing with fire: For reference, the 12 links are: And, I might add, irony does not weather well.

Since three of these four vedana, samkhara, and vinnana appear elsewhere in the chain under their usual names, this can hardly be correct.

Jayarava’s Raves: Playing with Fire

I think it makes sense. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.


It emphasises that the Buddhist texts are not divine revelation, they are no infallible and we must be wary of an over literal interpretation of them. I have been re-reading the notes from those lectures and wanted to highlight lecture seven which discussed the use of fire as a metaphor by the Buddha. No commentator is infallible, right? In this view clinging would be fuel for becoming, and in my opinion this works much better as an explanation of process.

In the Rig Veda: Apologies for any confusion caused on my part. They are the fuel for the burning desire that prolongs our existence. As for the specific link formulation, – it’s just one of the way in which Buddha expressed the Conditioned Arising model. Erich Fauwallner argued long ago that the chain would logically have started with Tanha, in order to match up with the Four Noble Truths, but starting with the sense bases would work equally well.

It continues the theme of looking at the way the Buddha drew on the traditions surrounding him, especially the Vedic tradition, of images and concepts with which to communicate his Insight.

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Vedana feeling ; 8. Following a psychological interpretation, the primary cause of suffering is ignorance. This also occured with nama-rupa, it being redefined as mind-matter rather than subject-object.